The interview, which took place in 2013, right in the midst of Swift's Red era, is on YouTube in all its cringey glory. DeGeneres kicks things off by asking a clearly uncomfortable Swift how her boyfriend, Zac Efron, is doing, to which the singer-songwriter responds, "We actually never dated." Going against her "be kind" mantra, DeGeneres fires back, "Yes you did."
Next, the host proposes a little game, during which photos will pop up on a projector, of Swift with different high-profile celebs, and Swift will be tasked with ringing a bell for every man she's dated. The Folklore creator is, once again, demonstrably uncomfortable. After a few photos, she yells out, "Stop it, stop it, stop!" Swift then admits, "This makes me feel so bad about myself. Every time I come up here, you put a different dude up there on the screen, and it makes me really question what I stand for as a human being."
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